No it will not still downsize the Urssaf

The Senate must vote today Bill of financing of social security for 2010, which provides for a deficit exceeding EUR 30 billion. Acoss, the "Bank" of the general regime, said that its vocation of management must be "une-wide year, step beyond".

The destruction of employment slowed considerably in the third quarter. Do you feel this enhancement in the contributions made by corporations

Pierre Tchoulkova. We observe a stabilization, for several months or even a start of trend reversal. The most advanced indicator, for us, these are statements of hiring, which had collapsed and started to rise since the second quarter. The evolution of the wage bill should be less degraded than expected this year: while we anticipated a decline of 2.1, we are now building on a slightly better figure.

The State granted payment facilities to companies put in trouble by the crisis. What balance do you

P. R. We granted payment to 80-90 of companies whose requests were admissible. Between September 2008 and September 2009, 260,000 payment was requested and 210,000 awarded to approximately 200,000 companies. We are therefore not flexibility and amicable recovery has also proven the best way to do business with the crisis: it is cheaper and more. To recover the branch remains begin to decline in October, which suggests that our policy of delay of payment and recovery using the friendly approach has been productive. Our approach is a little more optimistic than that of pole job.

Acoss will have to bear the next year two years of record deficit of social security, for a total close to EUR 65 billion. Is it enough armed to deal with this need for financing

Pierre Burban. We will pass the Cape, it is unnecessary to worry too much. For the moment, we enjoy of historically low interest rates, which allow us to take good balance on the markets. For 2010, the environment is more uncertain and the rate will probably rise. To meet our needs, we have to negotiate a loan for one year with the Caisse des Dépôts for 20 billion euros, which gives us more visibility. We will also have rights of circulation of 11 billion to the Fund. Beyond these 31 billion, we will issue tickets of cash markets up to 10, or 12 billion. The Agency France Treasury will support us approximately 5 billion. For the balance, we will take on European markets. For these emissions international, new for us, the Acoss will benefit from the expertise of the AFT. It will act as the provider of services, including to get the program and arrange meetings with investors abroad. And Acoss wishes to be soon noted by a third rating agency, Standard & Poor's, Moody's and Fitch.

The AFT will be paid by the Acoss for these services

P. B. It is out of the question. Acoss is not designed to withstand such needs of funding. It is the State which decided not to return to deficits, so this is the State to bear the consequences. Should also reaffirm the missions of the Acoss in 2010: manage the Treasury of the social security at the level of a year, not beyond.

Unedic disputes the terms of the transfer to the Urssaf collection of unemployment insurance premiums. That her answer you

P. B. The discussion should not be polluted by polite resistance - the merge between ANPE and Assedic the ticks. This debate has been resolved. The deadline for transfer of the recovery of contributions unemployment is scheduled for January 1, 2011 by the tripartite convention State-Unedic-pole employment. More failover will take place sooner, faster numbers of pole job responsible recovery will be redeployed. Can do, but this, means that each is put in his own. The objective of the reform is to simplify the life of companies by reducing their number of interlocutors. That said, the transfer should not preclude that the social partners of the Unedic continue to benefit from all the information needed for the negotiations on unemployment insurance. This is not the first time that the Urssaf will act on behalf of a third party. They have expertise in this area.

The Parliament has passed a measure that will allow you to implement a pilot phase in 2010. What is it

P. R. From January 1st, the Urssaf can recover contributions to unemployment insurance of voluntary enterprises in Ile-de-France. In September, we will expand the pilot in a Department, the Rhône.

What will be the consequences of this workload for Acoss Can we continue to downsize the Urssaf

P. B. No, it will not still downsize the Urssaf. They will have to remain in the less stable over the next years if we want to ensure the quality of our service businesses. There were already 600 net deletions of posts since 2006, a total of 13,000. Numbers are legion, as the workload increases as the reforms, including the implementation of the social plan of the independent and the exemptions from charges. The restructuring of the Urssaf network will continue nevertheless. It will be specified in the convention objectives and management that we negotiate with the State at the end of the year.

Several unions Council of Acoss already criticize this restructuring. They fear that the regionalization of the Urssaf network away from the realities on the ground officers.

P. B. It is that an additional step, the restructuring is already underway for a decade. We will keep the departmental level for the missions of proximity such as the management of the difficulties of between - taken or the operational implementation of the control or the fight against fraud. Other tasks can be shared at the regional level, which must be the level of strategic cockpit. The boards will disappear at the departmental level, it is true, but the social partners there will be always represented, in commissions.